prashanthg
08-19 03:25 PM
Total AOS applications pending as of June-2008 is 740,969.
What percentage of them is Eb-3? where did you get that 55% from?
What % of EB3 is from india? Where did you get that 30% from?
Thanks,
g
Some of my assumptions are from previous posts (may be from vdlrao's posts).
I assumed that the EB3 numbers are split between India/China and ROW.
EB3-I could be as high as 40% - I could be wrong.
I would like to see some guru's comment on these numbers.
What percentage of them is Eb-3? where did you get that 55% from?
What % of EB3 is from india? Where did you get that 30% from?
Thanks,
g
Some of my assumptions are from previous posts (may be from vdlrao's posts).
I assumed that the EB3 numbers are split between India/China and ROW.
EB3-I could be as high as 40% - I could be wrong.
I would like to see some guru's comment on these numbers.
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anuraj
04-26 01:16 PM
Accept my $50 contribution now. More on the way...
My other contribution is forwarding the message to all my friends.
Best of Luck for your work.
My other contribution is forwarding the message to all my friends.
Best of Luck for your work.
lotsofspace
02-26 05:28 PM
Niether many has tried this option (entering on AP and filing H1B transfer to different employer other than GC sponsers) nor USCIS has strong history of approving/dealing with these type of cases. After entering in AP, though one can very well contine the H1B with the same employer to whom any one work on H1B before leaving US. There is a memo for this type of situation. However, there is no specific memo to address this situation (Transfer). It is all depends on the individual adjucidator's logic. If they see your latest I-94 with parolee stamp, then they may deny (or issue a RFE )the H1B transfer, by the applying the the logic of one must be in the smae status to seek extension. If the deny/issue RFE, you can not counter act as there is no secific memo or policy by USCIS in this case.
Can you please provide a link to this memo ? My attorney said, if I want to continue on H1 after reentry, I must get H1 stamped and enter in H status. If I use AP for reentry, I should change to EAD at work. This memo will help.
I know there is a memo about continuing on H1B after filing I485 (dual intent) in the context of AC21 , but I am not aware about one that deals with entering with AP and continuing on H1.
Most of the answers above talk about transferring/extending the H1 after the reentry to get a new I94. How about if you want to continue with the same employer and you already have H1 valid until 2011 ? Do you still apply for H1 extension ? If so what basis ?
Do they enter a validity date on I94 when we enter using AP ? If so what date would that be ?
What is the significance of this date on I94 when one wants to use EAD and never goes back to H1 ?
Can you please provide a link to this memo ? My attorney said, if I want to continue on H1 after reentry, I must get H1 stamped and enter in H status. If I use AP for reentry, I should change to EAD at work. This memo will help.
I know there is a memo about continuing on H1B after filing I485 (dual intent) in the context of AC21 , but I am not aware about one that deals with entering with AP and continuing on H1.
Most of the answers above talk about transferring/extending the H1 after the reentry to get a new I94. How about if you want to continue with the same employer and you already have H1 valid until 2011 ? Do you still apply for H1 extension ? If so what basis ?
Do they enter a validity date on I94 when we enter using AP ? If so what date would that be ?
What is the significance of this date on I94 when one wants to use EAD and never goes back to H1 ?
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GCSOON-Ihope
12-15 01:59 PM
i dont understand......why did you choose to go through this hell??
can you please explain??........i thought france is a developed country with almost same opportunities as USA??
if someone from somalia.....goes through this ordeal its understandable.....
People choose to come here for plenty of different reasons: professional, economical, family or a combination of everything.
Yes, France is a developed and rich country and, if I had stayed there, I would certainly be today in a much better situation, professionaly and financially!
So, I certainly did not come here for the $$. It is extremely simple: it was just my childhood dream to live here and I am proud today that I made it.
Yes, I had to go through that ordeal and I did not "choose" to do it, it just happened. I was just stuck in that infernal situation.
Would I do it again, even to fulfill my dream? Certainly not, I am not that mad. Will it prove worth it eventually? I don't know yet.
The truth of the matter is: how do you know in advance what lies ahead?
If we always knew, life would be too easy, don't you think so?
Nobody would make mistakes or wrong choices.
So, was I right or wrong to go through all this? Well, again, I don't know.
Time will tell...
can you please explain??........i thought france is a developed country with almost same opportunities as USA??
if someone from somalia.....goes through this ordeal its understandable.....
People choose to come here for plenty of different reasons: professional, economical, family or a combination of everything.
Yes, France is a developed and rich country and, if I had stayed there, I would certainly be today in a much better situation, professionaly and financially!
So, I certainly did not come here for the $$. It is extremely simple: it was just my childhood dream to live here and I am proud today that I made it.
Yes, I had to go through that ordeal and I did not "choose" to do it, it just happened. I was just stuck in that infernal situation.
Would I do it again, even to fulfill my dream? Certainly not, I am not that mad. Will it prove worth it eventually? I don't know yet.
The truth of the matter is: how do you know in advance what lies ahead?
If we always knew, life would be too easy, don't you think so?
Nobody would make mistakes or wrong choices.
So, was I right or wrong to go through all this? Well, again, I don't know.
Time will tell...
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Nickjr
09-24 11:32 AM
[QUOTE=gcformeornot;292719]http://boards.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=286606 :mad::mad:
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We are all protected under first amendment (freedom of speech) so one is free to express their opinions. However I must say that IV never promises to come and get quick solution.Per my understanding it offers members to come share experience decide on stragtegy and with colloborative effort we can surely make a difference.Now if IV is not able to desired result which emans we asa member are not playing our part which we were expected to play.
Its really easy to blame but it takes really hard to come up with solution. If the author of the above post has some plan of action he/she could share in thsi forum. Again assigning dots is individual choice IN admin never assign points good anology would be when you speak to group of people some people like it some may diagree so why to blame IV..
Guys lets appreciate efforts of IV .Blame game can never be a solution.
Cheers
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We are all protected under first amendment (freedom of speech) so one is free to express their opinions. However I must say that IV never promises to come and get quick solution.Per my understanding it offers members to come share experience decide on stragtegy and with colloborative effort we can surely make a difference.Now if IV is not able to desired result which emans we asa member are not playing our part which we were expected to play.
Its really easy to blame but it takes really hard to come up with solution. If the author of the above post has some plan of action he/she could share in thsi forum. Again assigning dots is individual choice IN admin never assign points good anology would be when you speak to group of people some people like it some may diagree so why to blame IV..
Guys lets appreciate efforts of IV .Blame game can never be a solution.
Cheers
sc3
08-13 12:27 PM
it may look like it that it has made our situation worse. But it was never good to start with. The visa number flow was going to EB3-ROW. Now it is going to EB2-I. That is good since if EB2-I becomes current the flow would come to EB3-I as we have older PD people than EB3-ROW.
Nevertheless, EB3-I was always the last link in the chain and still is. Nothing has worsened or bettered. If anything can be good for us, it is the 5882 bill. Another thing that can help is removal of country quota. With so many EB2 people getting their GC, we are going to need to really work towards getting contributions for lobbying since the people who get the GC cannot be expected to help IV anymore. We always were at the bottom and are still at the bottom. We need to unite and work with IV so that we call can get what we want.
I see there is a very common misconception in these forums
First. EB2-I being current does not help EB3-I -- at least not directly. The numbers after EB2-I being current will not rollover into EB3-I. It goes to the general EB3 pool, from where first the 7% rule is applied, so unless EB3-World becomes current, EB3-I does not benefit from the numbers.
2nd, yes, the reclamation will help, but again not to a great extent -- at least not directly. All of the numbers so gained will go based on the 7% cutoff, so while we will get some extra numbers, but does not mean EB3-I will go ahead by leaps and bounds, that is until all the rest of the categories are current.
Nevertheless, EB3-I was always the last link in the chain and still is. Nothing has worsened or bettered. If anything can be good for us, it is the 5882 bill. Another thing that can help is removal of country quota. With so many EB2 people getting their GC, we are going to need to really work towards getting contributions for lobbying since the people who get the GC cannot be expected to help IV anymore. We always were at the bottom and are still at the bottom. We need to unite and work with IV so that we call can get what we want.
I see there is a very common misconception in these forums
First. EB2-I being current does not help EB3-I -- at least not directly. The numbers after EB2-I being current will not rollover into EB3-I. It goes to the general EB3 pool, from where first the 7% rule is applied, so unless EB3-World becomes current, EB3-I does not benefit from the numbers.
2nd, yes, the reclamation will help, but again not to a great extent -- at least not directly. All of the numbers so gained will go based on the 7% cutoff, so while we will get some extra numbers, but does not mean EB3-I will go ahead by leaps and bounds, that is until all the rest of the categories are current.
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nogc_noproblem
03-13 01:17 PM
Awesome
Folks,
This my copyright and very much pertain to our situation:
*********************
I left my world in search of prosperity
The prosperity is taking an eternity
My struggle is long and daunting
Making it more and more frustrating
Life at times seems uncontrollable
Flowing with the time unstoppable
Graying hairs testify for the feeling
Fat belly making me further unappealing
Sometimes I think of going back
Try to gather the courage that I lack
But the world I left is not the same any more.
And the world I am in, has lost its lure.
I am on the crossroad of my life
One is forward, one is left and other is right.
I don�t like the choices shown
May be I would have to create a world of my own
***************
Thanks
Folks,
This my copyright and very much pertain to our situation:
*********************
I left my world in search of prosperity
The prosperity is taking an eternity
My struggle is long and daunting
Making it more and more frustrating
Life at times seems uncontrollable
Flowing with the time unstoppable
Graying hairs testify for the feeling
Fat belly making me further unappealing
Sometimes I think of going back
Try to gather the courage that I lack
But the world I left is not the same any more.
And the world I am in, has lost its lure.
I am on the crossroad of my life
One is forward, one is left and other is right.
I don�t like the choices shown
May be I would have to create a world of my own
***************
Thanks
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walking_dude
11-14 02:39 PM
Thanks my friend. I knew I could count on you :)
WD, I am with you on this.
I am even going to call the radio and ask the same thing you have put in that letter if they ignore my emails.
WD, I am with you on this.
I am even going to call the radio and ask the same thing you have put in that letter if they ignore my emails.
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pointlesswait
05-23 03:38 PM
> i am not berating anyone for that matter!
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prince7
09-30 02:56 PM
Hi Smartboy75 & Wawa, I also received the same update on Sep 28th ,I am in pending h1b transfer and uscis tried to reopen my previous approved h1b .
I am June filer and got all the receipts. Please keep me posted as well.
Appreciate your inputs.
I am June filer and got all the receipts. Please keep me posted as well.
Appreciate your inputs.
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Hinglish
08-14 01:36 AM
Booo hooo hoooo ..... I woe the plight of EB2 folks ....... utter injustice has been done ......
We must send some flowers ............ with just a little bit of pixie dust sprinkled on them ....... may be that would do the trick .... if that doesnt work ....may be we could send a high level delegation of the most accomplished enthusistic EB2 freaks to DC ......
If that doesnt work EB2 folks especially the disenchanted should sue and get a constitutional amendment..... If that doesnt work .... well .... you can put a finger up you freakn @!# and pray for a miracle
We must send some flowers ............ with just a little bit of pixie dust sprinkled on them ....... may be that would do the trick .... if that doesnt work ....may be we could send a high level delegation of the most accomplished enthusistic EB2 freaks to DC ......
If that doesnt work EB2 folks especially the disenchanted should sue and get a constitutional amendment..... If that doesnt work .... well .... you can put a finger up you freakn @!# and pray for a miracle
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kilubilu46
07-16 12:17 PM
Singed.
It should have 50K signatures.
It should have 50K signatures.
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copsmart
08-25 02:51 PM
ICICI is good at advertising false figures (with our money of course) and SBI is little delayed in updating their websites - does that solves the equation :)
SBI rate is 43.21 for $4001 but i'm sure that's not latest because the website is not updated hour by hour ( like ICICI/R2i/C2i at least do for AD) but I've seen honesty in SBI's dealings when they actually convert $ to Rs. Even if the website shows lower rates they converted my money with higher rates because the market rate was higher during conversion.
I agree with you.
I am using SBI M2I for several years and I have no issues, in fact I have an NRE account in India with SBI and my father also has a SB account with SBI. So, the money transfer process in whole happens with no hassle compared to any other method.
Intially I had some issues with them when I was trying to setup an online account for our bank accounts (NRE & SB) in india. The officers at the branch were we have our accounts are not well versed with computers, so they had a tough time setting up our accounts. In fact they weren't aware of the bank's online system until I told them, and they first refused to setup the accounts. So, I had to contact the bombay office and they helped them figure out the setup procedures.
Having said that, there is been a transaction delay lately with online SBI as well. My last 2 transfers took more than 8 days. I opened a ticket yesterday and waiting for their response. But overall I am okay with SBI so far.
P.S: I have used ICICI in the past and I still have the account, but I don't use it anymore, just maintaining the minimum balance in the NRE account. IMHO they are not very good service providers.
SBI rate is 43.21 for $4001 but i'm sure that's not latest because the website is not updated hour by hour ( like ICICI/R2i/C2i at least do for AD) but I've seen honesty in SBI's dealings when they actually convert $ to Rs. Even if the website shows lower rates they converted my money with higher rates because the market rate was higher during conversion.
I agree with you.
I am using SBI M2I for several years and I have no issues, in fact I have an NRE account in India with SBI and my father also has a SB account with SBI. So, the money transfer process in whole happens with no hassle compared to any other method.
Intially I had some issues with them when I was trying to setup an online account for our bank accounts (NRE & SB) in india. The officers at the branch were we have our accounts are not well versed with computers, so they had a tough time setting up our accounts. In fact they weren't aware of the bank's online system until I told them, and they first refused to setup the accounts. So, I had to contact the bombay office and they helped them figure out the setup procedures.
Having said that, there is been a transaction delay lately with online SBI as well. My last 2 transfers took more than 8 days. I opened a ticket yesterday and waiting for their response. But overall I am okay with SBI so far.
P.S: I have used ICICI in the past and I still have the account, but I don't use it anymore, just maintaining the minimum balance in the NRE account. IMHO they are not very good service providers.
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willgetgc2005
11-15 02:17 PM
It indeed is nonsense. You give money where you cant get any benefit.
Oh well, I guess that is OK.Then they trash you saying you have not paid.
Then they say, you have not paid so get out.
Fun stuff ?
Why do people spread the false propaganda that H1Bs do not pay taxes? This is utter nonsense.
Oh well, I guess that is OK.Then they trash you saying you have not paid.
Then they say, you have not paid so get out.
Fun stuff ?
Why do people spread the false propaganda that H1Bs do not pay taxes? This is utter nonsense.
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pappu
04-18 03:41 PM
Dear Friends,
Got Green cards and Welcome notices for me and my wife .
Surprisingly no uscis e-mail and online status is still "initial review"
Our journey in short :
How long in US : 10+ years
First Labor in 2002 . Changed job in three years before approval of labor
Second Labor in 2004 . Approved in 2007
Filed I140 and 485 - in July 2007
Since then I was enjoying EAD / AP with no complain .
I donate to IV now and then , but for some reason only once (for few days) got access to IV-Donor Forum . But always had a faith that IV is doing good work .
From non-donor IV forums and other forums I noticed that USCIS are transferring leftover Visas to other EB categories . I waited to see some thing coming to EB3 but ......nothing came .
My Lawyer told me that I can port to EB2 and it is a normal a process.
1. New Perm
Filed in Feb and approved in 10 days ( Prep work takes 3 to 4 months before filing )
2. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed in March - Premium Processing
b. My Lawyer sent interfiling letter along with I140 filing
c. Approved in 7 days (A# and Priority Date retained)
d. Same week got Green Cards and Welcome Notices:) - Super-fast Approval
e. No email and no updates on USCIS website
Not sure about the USCIS and Lawyer fees . My company paid for every thing.
Hope every one get the desired freedom asap and don't have to wait like me for 10+ years
Wish you all the best ......to everyone who is waiting for GC.
Thanks,
Jimytomy
Congrats.
Got Green cards and Welcome notices for me and my wife .
Surprisingly no uscis e-mail and online status is still "initial review"
Our journey in short :
How long in US : 10+ years
First Labor in 2002 . Changed job in three years before approval of labor
Second Labor in 2004 . Approved in 2007
Filed I140 and 485 - in July 2007
Since then I was enjoying EAD / AP with no complain .
I donate to IV now and then , but for some reason only once (for few days) got access to IV-Donor Forum . But always had a faith that IV is doing good work .
From non-donor IV forums and other forums I noticed that USCIS are transferring leftover Visas to other EB categories . I waited to see some thing coming to EB3 but ......nothing came .
My Lawyer told me that I can port to EB2 and it is a normal a process.
1. New Perm
Filed in Feb and approved in 10 days ( Prep work takes 3 to 4 months before filing )
2. EB2 I140 (TSC)
a. Filed in March - Premium Processing
b. My Lawyer sent interfiling letter along with I140 filing
c. Approved in 7 days (A# and Priority Date retained)
d. Same week got Green Cards and Welcome Notices:) - Super-fast Approval
e. No email and no updates on USCIS website
Not sure about the USCIS and Lawyer fees . My company paid for every thing.
Hope every one get the desired freedom asap and don't have to wait like me for 10+ years
Wish you all the best ......to everyone who is waiting for GC.
Thanks,
Jimytomy
Congrats.
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vikki76
10-29 03:27 AM
@ vikki76
Please check this thread and September 2009 approvals thread. I saw names of the a couple IOs who had been helpful at NSC. If you cannot find it, please let me know and I will try and scan both the threads for you.
I got your pvt. message, will send you the letter tonight when I get home.
thanks again for helping out even after getting GC..urs and others support mean lots to us waiting here.
I just wish IO's too scan this forum and feel our frustration.:mad:
Please check this thread and September 2009 approvals thread. I saw names of the a couple IOs who had been helpful at NSC. If you cannot find it, please let me know and I will try and scan both the threads for you.
I got your pvt. message, will send you the letter tonight when I get home.
thanks again for helping out even after getting GC..urs and others support mean lots to us waiting here.
I just wish IO's too scan this forum and feel our frustration.:mad:
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smisachu
12-20 08:59 PM
Hi Guys. I am trying to take an appointment in Jan. The earliest I can get is 11th in Kollkata. I have booking to travel to US on 26th. After listening to the delays here, I am confused where to go for stamping or return with AP.:confused::confused:
Please advise; guys who have been through stamping recently. Appreciate your feedback.
Please advise; guys who have been through stamping recently. Appreciate your feedback.
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trueguy
08-12 09:09 PM
It won't help, if everyone starts porting, EB-2 queue will face a similar situation. Porting doesn't happen soon either. With delays in I-140 processing, it may be close to 2 years before you could file for a fresh I-485 with a request to port the EB-3 priority date. Note, this is a grey area and doesn't guarantee you the old PD. If the company is willing to foot the bill, go for it or else IMO it is not worth spending your own money.
Legislative or Administrative fix is our best option. We should focus on the recapture bill and other initiatives by IV, contribute and participate in the action items. We, as a community should raise enough money for lobbying etc.,
If you stay in EB3-I then you are the last one to get the VISA. If you port it to EB2-I then you put EB3-ROW behind and you get in line first in EB2-I bcoz you will have older PD.
Legislative or Administrative fix is our best option. We should focus on the recapture bill and other initiatives by IV, contribute and participate in the action items. We, as a community should raise enough money for lobbying etc.,
If you stay in EB3-I then you are the last one to get the VISA. If you port it to EB2-I then you put EB3-ROW behind and you get in line first in EB2-I bcoz you will have older PD.
walking_dude
11-14 02:39 PM
Thanks my friend. I knew I could count on you :)
WD, I am with you on this.
I am even going to call the radio and ask the same thing you have put in that letter if they ignore my emails.
WD, I am with you on this.
I am even going to call the radio and ask the same thing you have put in that letter if they ignore my emails.
ash0210
03-10 10:31 AM
Friend of mine (to whom I contacted regarding IV) is in USA for 7 years and knows how lobbying & party funds are raised (including Watergate) and also very much aware of "Retrogression" and problems of being "Legal".
Also, he is aware of cause of IV and appreciate that but he is un-comfortable because whenever he login to IV, he noticed that:
- more than 40-50% respondents are talking about money/contributions & signatures showing how much they have contributed as of today,
- 10-15% are talking about blocking non-contributors(calling by Free Lunchers etc..),
- 5 % are Pseudo intellectuals (talking BIG but dont know immigration basics like - PD, issues of I-140/I485)
- 5% are always trying to shutdown others, accusing/calling by names to other forum members (he says "Highly skilled" in accusing!!)
- and remaining are "Positive" contributors for IVs retrogression cause (talking about - I spoke to senators office, can we arrange rallies, when to Fax/fliers, when State chapters are going to meet, posting excerpts from senate/CSPAN/News etc..)
Is our audience is so? Can we focus on our cause? pl be together like.. Like-Minded!!!
My prioriy date has moved 1 week in 1 year. This is sufficient evidence for legislation (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3317&highlight=legislation) that requires Hill lobbying (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3255&highlight=legislation) which requires money.
Like minded
I had no understanding about legislation, politics, lobbying and money when I joined IV in Dec 2006. I used to wonder what core is talking about. However, I checked every statement against reliable media reported facts (NOT law firm blogs). I have not found a single contradiction. So I am very strongly like minded with core's direction.
Here is an example. In Dec 2006, Jeff Sessions was cited by core as the reason to derail the SKILL Bill. Here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=51718&postcount=21) is a recent example of an anonymous person derailing a Bill.
Money minded
Lobbying firm is the most important reason for existence of IV; grass root lobbying can be done without IV. IV paid QGA 80K (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=50347&postcount=4) in the first quarter of 2006; this is just one expenditure but has a public record. IV has to pay a similar amount to Patton Boggs. About 260*20/month was collected in 45 days in Jan/Feb 2007.
Why can IV ignore talking about money (when balancing this deficit is very important)?
How can IV ignore talking about money ALL THE TIME (when it takes 45 days to collect 260*20)?
State Chapter Participation
You missed this. We also ask members (ALL THE TIME (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3482&highlight=Wisconsin)) to participate in State Chapters.
Conclusions
Some (non) members are ignorant about GC problems, legislation, politics, lobbying and IV's activities. It is not possible to understand all of them even in a month. They have to put effort to educate themselves. Hence, the quotes
Also, he is aware of cause of IV and appreciate that but he is un-comfortable because whenever he login to IV, he noticed that:
- more than 40-50% respondents are talking about money/contributions & signatures showing how much they have contributed as of today,
- 10-15% are talking about blocking non-contributors(calling by Free Lunchers etc..),
- 5 % are Pseudo intellectuals (talking BIG but dont know immigration basics like - PD, issues of I-140/I485)
- 5% are always trying to shutdown others, accusing/calling by names to other forum members (he says "Highly skilled" in accusing!!)
- and remaining are "Positive" contributors for IVs retrogression cause (talking about - I spoke to senators office, can we arrange rallies, when to Fax/fliers, when State chapters are going to meet, posting excerpts from senate/CSPAN/News etc..)
Is our audience is so? Can we focus on our cause? pl be together like.. Like-Minded!!!
My prioriy date has moved 1 week in 1 year. This is sufficient evidence for legislation (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3317&highlight=legislation) that requires Hill lobbying (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3255&highlight=legislation) which requires money.
Like minded
I had no understanding about legislation, politics, lobbying and money when I joined IV in Dec 2006. I used to wonder what core is talking about. However, I checked every statement against reliable media reported facts (NOT law firm blogs). I have not found a single contradiction. So I am very strongly like minded with core's direction.
Here is an example. In Dec 2006, Jeff Sessions was cited by core as the reason to derail the SKILL Bill. Here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=51718&postcount=21) is a recent example of an anonymous person derailing a Bill.
Money minded
Lobbying firm is the most important reason for existence of IV; grass root lobbying can be done without IV. IV paid QGA 80K (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=50347&postcount=4) in the first quarter of 2006; this is just one expenditure but has a public record. IV has to pay a similar amount to Patton Boggs. About 260*20/month was collected in 45 days in Jan/Feb 2007.
Why can IV ignore talking about money (when balancing this deficit is very important)?
How can IV ignore talking about money ALL THE TIME (when it takes 45 days to collect 260*20)?
State Chapter Participation
You missed this. We also ask members (ALL THE TIME (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3482&highlight=Wisconsin)) to participate in State Chapters.
Conclusions
Some (non) members are ignorant about GC problems, legislation, politics, lobbying and IV's activities. It is not possible to understand all of them even in a month. They have to put effort to educate themselves. Hence, the quotes